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	<title>Comments on: The Big 4 And Their Travel Card Relationships &#8211; Comfy And Cozy</title>
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		<title>By: re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Satyam Supported PwC&#8217;s Schizophrenic Strategy To Reenter The Systems Integration Business</title>
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		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Satyam Supported PwC&#8217;s Schizophrenic Strategy To Reenter The Systems Integration Business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 04:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that muddies the waters over whose side they are really on. They have cozy relationships with their travel services providers. They join their audit clients pre-retirement in senior positions. They are asked by the government [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that muddies the waters over whose side they are really on. They have cozy relationships with their travel services providers. They join their audit clients pre-retirement in senior positions. They are asked by the government [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Francine McKenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francine McKenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point was not there there is an inherent conflict.  Auditing your card vendor is allowed by independence rules under the &quot;consumer in the normal course&quot; rules. My question is why, when there is a choice as there has been recently in both cases, the companies and firms don&#039;t try to avoid this issue.  Has anyone, including PCAOB and SEC, looked lately at whether the size of the business is &quot;major supplier&quot; size, whether the terms are still clean and comparable,  and whether the way float and processing are handled might imply that the firms are acting &quot;as an agent&quot; of the card companies? That is not allowed.  My intention is to encourage closer scrutiny of this situation by the regulators, given the size of the contracts and revenue passing through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point was not there there is an inherent conflict.  Auditing your card vendor is allowed by independence rules under the &#8220;consumer in the normal course&#8221; rules. My question is why, when there is a choice as there has been recently in both cases, the companies and firms don&#8217;t try to avoid this issue.  Has anyone, including PCAOB and SEC, looked lately at whether the size of the business is &#8220;major supplier&#8221; size, whether the terms are still clean and comparable,  and whether the way float and processing are handled might imply that the firms are acting &#8220;as an agent&#8221; of the card companies? That is not allowed.  My intention is to encourage closer scrutiny of this situation by the regulators, given the size of the contracts and revenue passing through.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to see the conflict of interest in auditing the provider of your T&amp;E card.  I am sure all firms have a 30 or 60 day term on these cards, so they are never carrying large balances for extended periods of time, and the overall &quot;sales&quot; through the cards held by the Firm is in all likelihood a very small percentage of gross.  So there is no &quot;major supplier&quot; relationship.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, in theory, I think that auditing your own T&amp;E card provider would actually do a very minor amount to reduce overall audit load.  Since the firms in theory are a paragon of internal control and review all purchases made by the cards, they should techinically be able to exclude their own purchases from the sample population for auditing pruposes, no?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I could see an issue if a firm was auditing a major realestate firm of which they were a leaseholder, but with cards, not so much...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see the conflict of interest in auditing the provider of your T&#038;E card.  I am sure all firms have a 30 or 60 day term on these cards, so they are never carrying large balances for extended periods of time, and the overall &#8220;sales&#8221; through the cards held by the Firm is in all likelihood a very small percentage of gross.  So there is no &#8220;major supplier&#8221; relationship.</p>
<p>Also, in theory, I think that auditing your own T&#038;E card provider would actually do a very minor amount to reduce overall audit load.  Since the firms in theory are a paragon of internal control and review all purchases made by the cards, they should techinically be able to exclude their own purchases from the sample population for auditing pruposes, no?</p>
<p>I could see an issue if a firm was auditing a major realestate firm of which they were a leaseholder, but with cards, not so much&#8230;</p>
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