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	<title>Comments on: Big 4 Partners With High Salaries To Experience Layoffs</title>
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		<title>By: Francine</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2008/04/10/big-4-partners-with-high-salaries-to-experience-layoffs/comment-page-1/#comment-157108</link>
		<dc:creator>Francine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom

For additional information on this subject including the performance review process, read this post, http://retheauditors.com/2009/11/05/live-our-values-demonstrate-our-behaviors-support-our-strategy/

Although it is based on information from PwC, and all firms are slightly different, it is pretty representative.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom</p>
<p>For additional information on this subject including the performance review process, read this post, <a href="http://retheauditors.com/2009/11/05/live-our-values-demonstrate-our-behaviors-support-our-strategy/" rel="nofollow">http://retheauditors.com/2009/11/05/live-our-values-demonstrate-our-behaviors-support-our-strategy/</a></p>
<p>Although it is based on information from PwC, and all firms are slightly different, it is pretty representative.</p>
<p>fm</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve long been curious about Big 4 Partner compensation, as reliable data on this is difficult to obtain. I have found at least one quality source, CA Profession Compensation Survey [conducted in Canada - &quot;Every two years, the CICA and the provincial institutes/ordre conduct a profession-wide compensation survey&quot;].

According to the summary of the 2009 survey results (http://cica.ems01.com/CA_Profession_Compensation_Survey_2009-En.pdf), page 27, we find a table with &quot;Owner&#039;s Compensation.&quot; For owners with partners, the survey found the following:

Median: $246,000 (2009) - in Canadian dollars
Mean: $306,603 (2009) - in Canadian dollars

The data does not distinguish between Big4 firms and others, but it does give you a rough sense. 

I&#039;ve also found another article claiming that a UK Deloitte partner (http://www.accountancyage.com/aa/news/1785156/deloitte-partner-loses-divorce-battle) made 750,000 British pounds (approx $1.2 million US).

So I think that gives one a sense of the range: $300,000 at the low end and somewhere around $1-3 million at the high end.

Aside from the raw numbers, I&#039;m curious about how the mechanics of partner compensation work. Is it a base salary plus &quot;bonus&quot; (i.e. pay based on partnership units)? Is it a single huge lump sum payment? How does it vary? If a partner brings in a new $10 million engagement, do they get a certain % of that as personal compensation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve long been curious about Big 4 Partner compensation, as reliable data on this is difficult to obtain. I have found at least one quality source, CA Profession Compensation Survey [conducted in Canada - "Every two years, the CICA and the provincial institutes/ordre conduct a profession-wide compensation survey"].</p>
<p>According to the summary of the 2009 survey results (<a href="http://cica.ems01.com/CA_Profession_Compensation_Survey_2009-En.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://cica.ems01.com/CA_Profession_Compensation_Survey_2009-En.pdf</a>), page 27, we find a table with &#8220;Owner&#8217;s Compensation.&#8221; For owners with partners, the survey found the following:</p>
<p>Median: $246,000 (2009) &#8211; in Canadian dollars<br />
Mean: $306,603 (2009) &#8211; in Canadian dollars</p>
<p>The data does not distinguish between Big4 firms and others, but it does give you a rough sense. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also found another article claiming that a UK Deloitte partner (<a href="http://www.accountancyage.com/aa/news/1785156/deloitte-partner-loses-divorce-battle" rel="nofollow">http://www.accountancyage.com/aa/news/1785156/deloitte-partner-loses-divorce-battle</a>) made 750,000 British pounds (approx $1.2 million US).</p>
<p>So I think that gives one a sense of the range: $300,000 at the low end and somewhere around $1-3 million at the high end.</p>
<p>Aside from the raw numbers, I&#8217;m curious about how the mechanics of partner compensation work. Is it a base salary plus &#8220;bonus&#8221; (i.e. pay based on partnership units)? Is it a single huge lump sum payment? How does it vary? If a partner brings in a new $10 million engagement, do they get a certain % of that as personal compensation?</p>
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		<title>By: re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dreaming Of India: PwC and Satyam</title>
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		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dreaming Of India: PwC and Satyam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] PwC reductions once the new fiscal year started, it&#8217;s now time for PwC to actualize my half tongue-in-cheek prediction of partner layoffs and salary [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] PwC reductions once the new fiscal year started, it&#8217;s now time for PwC to actualize my half tongue-in-cheek prediction of partner layoffs and salary [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Former DT auditor</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2008/04/10/big-4-partners-with-high-salaries-to-experience-layoffs/comment-page-1/#comment-747</link>
		<dc:creator>Former DT auditor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In United Kingdom they make information about partner&#039;s remuneration public, a friend of mine who works there, says that UK partners get around 1,5 mln pounds a year on average. It  is believed that  UK partners are paid the highest in the world. I am a former DT  auditor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In United Kingdom they make information about partner&#8217;s remuneration public, a friend of mine who works there, says that UK partners get around 1,5 mln pounds a year on average. It  is believed that  UK partners are paid the highest in the world. I am a former DT  auditor.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 14:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, do I know about that!  They targeted the blacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, do I know about that!  They targeted the blacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 12:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deloitte&#039;s audit practice just recently laid off a number of employees (at all levels) the last few weeks.  Rumor is that more layoffs are coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deloitte&#8217;s audit practice just recently laid off a number of employees (at all levels) the last few weeks.  Rumor is that more layoffs are coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Francine McKenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francine McKenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@I Just Work Here - Maybe you didn&#039;t read the Disclaimer post yesterday...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just received word that email referred to below does refer to Deloitte.&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;@Anonymous - A regular commenter, who asked to remain super anon in this case, sent this update to me this morning.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;...one of the Big 4 is announcing performance/utilization based professional reductions today; this will include staff and managers, and is for audit and IT auditors.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Looks like the reductions will be in the 1% to 3% range of total headcount, depending of geography.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The basis for the reduction is that the Firm is behind the financial plan, and with the slowdown, it looks like recovery back to plan is unlikely, and forecasts for next year need reducing. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Criteria for impacted people included performance ratings, past ultilization, and future projected utilization. Consistent with Firm policy, they will get some sort of severance package.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No word on partners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@I Just Work Here &#8211; Maybe you didn&#8217;t read the Disclaimer post yesterday&#8230;</p>
<p>Just received word that email referred to below does refer to Deloitte.</p>
<p>@Anonymous &#8211; A regular commenter, who asked to remain super anon in this case, sent this update to me this morning.</p>
<p>&#8230;one of the Big 4 is announcing performance/utilization based professional reductions today; this will include staff and managers, and is for audit and IT auditors.</p>
<p>Looks like the reductions will be in the 1% to 3% range of total headcount, depending of geography.</p>
<p>The basis for the reduction is that the Firm is behind the financial plan, and with the slowdown, it looks like recovery back to plan is unlikely, and forecasts for next year need reducing. </p>
<p>Criteria for impacted people included performance ratings, past ultilization, and future projected utilization. Consistent with Firm policy, they will get some sort of severance package.</p>
<p>No word on partners.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you are ever going to get a straight answer of what partners make.  Sure, you can find a source somewhere who will tell you what the AGI is for somebody, but that is not the whole story.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What about the magical buckets of expense that they have?  The huge quarterly payouts to &quot;help&quot; with quarterly tax payments?  Auto reimbursement/ leases?  Do they take any draws? Etc., Etc., Etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would be willing to bet that most partners in the big4 probably claim around $550-750k, that from simply looking at their published financial information.  If they are this stingy with reporting information about earnings TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE that tells me, at least, that they are just making sure they dot the &quot;i&quot; and cross the &quot;t&quot; because they aren&#039;t reporting everything to the IRS.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Or I could be seeing black helicopters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you are ever going to get a straight answer of what partners make.  Sure, you can find a source somewhere who will tell you what the AGI is for somebody, but that is not the whole story.</p>
<p>What about the magical buckets of expense that they have?  The huge quarterly payouts to &#8220;help&#8221; with quarterly tax payments?  Auto reimbursement/ leases?  Do they take any draws? Etc., Etc., Etc.</p>
<p>I would be willing to bet that most partners in the big4 probably claim around $550-750k, that from simply looking at their published financial information.  If they are this stingy with reporting information about earnings TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE that tells me, at least, that they are just making sure they dot the &#8220;i&#8221; and cross the &#8220;t&#8221; because they aren&#8217;t reporting everything to the IRS.</p>
<p>Or I could be seeing black helicopters.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you hearing about the Deloitte layoffs in California?</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know the more I read this &quot;blog&quot; the less credible it becomes. I think it is completely irrisponsible of you to use a headline like that. It reminds me of your claims of 1000 people being laid off in Advisory and Juan getting canned.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Please stop printing headlines like this without any support. Please try and be responsible in your reporting of &quot;facts.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would love to know about Partner saleries along with everyone else. But your recent article, along with a few others, reads more like a message board topic than a blog. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;-IJustWorkHere</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know the more I read this &#8220;blog&#8221; the less credible it becomes. I think it is completely irrisponsible of you to use a headline like that. It reminds me of your claims of 1000 people being laid off in Advisory and Juan getting canned.</p>
<p>Please stop printing headlines like this without any support. Please try and be responsible in your reporting of &#8220;facts.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would love to know about Partner saleries along with everyone else. But your recent article, along with a few others, reads more like a message board topic than a blog. </p>
<p>-IJustWorkHere</p>
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