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		<title>By: Leadership, not &#8220;Likership&#8221; &#171; The Art of the Attempt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leadership, not &#8220;Likership&#8221; &#171; The Art of the Attempt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] anyway, Tenacious Truman has written his perspective on leadership. He asserts that &#8220;the question is not IF you will [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, just found this article.  I&#039;m not going to comment on all the points made by Truman other than I agree with the vast majority of them.  I cannot speak on behalf of any of my colleagues or competitors but I will provide my perspective on a topic that is sore for me personally.  

- Regarding Vacation -
1.  In 7 years I have never had an uninterrupted vacation, despite vacation being booked months in advance and going through extensive socialization with my team.  Nevertheless I always seem to get voicemails that start with &quot;I know you&#039;re on vacation but...&quot;  I once took vacation in South America, and received a call from one of my partners who asked me &quot;you brought your laptop right?&quot;  Sometimes these calls come from my clients, and they almost always end the conversation as soon as they find out I&#039;m on PTO.   I hear 3 words time and time again from clients but never from my partners - &quot;it can wait.&quot;

2.  For my firm, PTO is included in the denominator for utilization calculations, meaning PTO counts against my utilization.  This seems at odds with my firm&#039;s &quot;worklife commitment.&quot;  If we are encouraged to take vacation, why does it damage our most significant individual performance metric?  Wouldn&#039;t it make sense to remove this from utilization entirely and impose sanctions on people who go over their PTO balance?

3.  I can cite (but will not do so publicly) numerous instances where either myself, or my entire team have been asked to forego vacation to meet client needs.  One instance, our entire team worked over Christmas through the new year...

4.  I have heard from one of my superiors &quot;if worklife balance really existed, then we wouldn&#039;t be profitable.&quot;  If this is really the case, then we have far more serious issues than what Truman discussed above.


- Regarding Eating Hours -
1.  Eating hours happens all the time, though I have never been directly asked to eat hours from a Partner.  I have had partners tell me &quot;we bill hours by the budget.&quot; Most of the pressure to eat hours is indirect, leaving the partner with plausible deniability - &quot;this engagement must be profitable,&quot; for example.  

2.  We sell our projects way under budget (usually due to a combination of lack of skilled people and price competition from smaller firms who bill out at less than half of what we do).

3.  I have never had a project with hours budgeted for the internal mess of red tape, and no client wants to pay for our internal overhead, especially at our rates….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, just found this article.  I&#8217;m not going to comment on all the points made by Truman other than I agree with the vast majority of them.  I cannot speak on behalf of any of my colleagues or competitors but I will provide my perspective on a topic that is sore for me personally.  </p>
<p>- Regarding Vacation -<br />
1.  In 7 years I have never had an uninterrupted vacation, despite vacation being booked months in advance and going through extensive socialization with my team.  Nevertheless I always seem to get voicemails that start with &#8220;I know you&#8217;re on vacation but&#8230;&#8221;  I once took vacation in South America, and received a call from one of my partners who asked me &#8220;you brought your laptop right?&#8221;  Sometimes these calls come from my clients, and they almost always end the conversation as soon as they find out I&#8217;m on PTO.   I hear 3 words time and time again from clients but never from my partners &#8211; &#8220;it can wait.&#8221;</p>
<p>2.  For my firm, PTO is included in the denominator for utilization calculations, meaning PTO counts against my utilization.  This seems at odds with my firm&#8217;s &#8220;worklife commitment.&#8221;  If we are encouraged to take vacation, why does it damage our most significant individual performance metric?  Wouldn&#8217;t it make sense to remove this from utilization entirely and impose sanctions on people who go over their PTO balance?</p>
<p>3.  I can cite (but will not do so publicly) numerous instances where either myself, or my entire team have been asked to forego vacation to meet client needs.  One instance, our entire team worked over Christmas through the new year&#8230;</p>
<p>4.  I have heard from one of my superiors &#8220;if worklife balance really existed, then we wouldn&#8217;t be profitable.&#8221;  If this is really the case, then we have far more serious issues than what Truman discussed above.</p>
<p>- Regarding Eating Hours -<br />
1.  Eating hours happens all the time, though I have never been directly asked to eat hours from a Partner.  I have had partners tell me &#8220;we bill hours by the budget.&#8221; Most of the pressure to eat hours is indirect, leaving the partner with plausible deniability &#8211; &#8220;this engagement must be profitable,&#8221; for example.  </p>
<p>2.  We sell our projects way under budget (usually due to a combination of lack of skilled people and price competition from smaller firms who bill out at less than half of what we do).</p>
<p>3.  I have never had a project with hours budgeted for the internal mess of red tape, and no client wants to pay for our internal overhead, especially at our rates….</p>
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		<title>By: re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Leadership: A Guest Post from Tenacious Truman</title>
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		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Leadership: A Guest Post from Tenacious Truman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a general comment it seems that Tenacious simply doesn&#039;t like the consulting firm/LLP business models.  Every privately held firm or LLP has leadership for whom the rest of the employees work to make rich (called partners, CEO, etc.).  Only if it is publicly held do you get to the level of everyone is working for the sake of the shareholders - and as such everyone is an employee.  But even in that scenario, it is the senior management that are getting rich and the lower level staff doing the work.

The only interesting thing I got out of this letter is the McDonalds comparison.  I think that is a good analogy to say that the B4 are all providing the exact same product... and that quality isn&#039;t really the issue.  I believe I can agree that there is a problem because the product is a check-the-box, meet the regulation thing, and the client gets no real value over that.  So, there is no real distinguisher between the B4 and quality isn&#039;t what the client is really buying... they are all the same and the provide a mechanical solution that meets the regulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a general comment it seems that Tenacious simply doesn&#8217;t like the consulting firm/LLP business models.  Every privately held firm or LLP has leadership for whom the rest of the employees work to make rich (called partners, CEO, etc.).  Only if it is publicly held do you get to the level of everyone is working for the sake of the shareholders &#8211; and as such everyone is an employee.  But even in that scenario, it is the senior management that are getting rich and the lower level staff doing the work.</p>
<p>The only interesting thing I got out of this letter is the McDonalds comparison.  I think that is a good analogy to say that the B4 are all providing the exact same product&#8230; and that quality isn&#8217;t really the issue.  I believe I can agree that there is a problem because the product is a check-the-box, meet the regulation thing, and the client gets no real value over that.  So, there is no real distinguisher between the B4 and quality isn&#8217;t what the client is really buying&#8230; they are all the same and the provide a mechanical solution that meets the regulations.</p>
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		<title>By: fm</title>
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		<dc:creator>fm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@43 SocalPizza

With 750 posts and more than 5,000,000 words, there&#039;s always something you haven&#039;t read yet. 
Glad I could point you to it.  He&#039;s too modest.
Francine</description>
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<p>With 750 posts and more than 5,000,000 words, there&#8217;s always something you haven&#8217;t read yet.<br />
Glad I could point you to it.  He&#8217;s too modest.<br />
Francine</p>
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		<title>By: SocalPizza</title>
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		<dc:creator>SocalPizza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow TT, I don&#039;t know how I never ran across this page. Great cross-section analysis of life in public accounting. I don&#039;t agree about collective bargaining*, but I agree with pretty much everything else.

*I think that creates a completely different beast, which is quite capable of causing just as much havoc (if not more). You&#039;re just switching partner greed with staff\manager greed. If we are going to pretend like public auditors (again, my background is auditing, sorry to the advisory and tax professionals) are actually serving the public rather than their own wallets, then there needs to be (shudder) more regulations on them. Things have gone too far, as you illustrated in your article. Take out the problems from the top down. Empower the staff with regards to compensation and you&#039;ll have a GM on your hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow TT, I don&#8217;t know how I never ran across this page. Great cross-section analysis of life in public accounting. I don&#8217;t agree about collective bargaining*, but I agree with pretty much everything else.</p>
<p>*I think that creates a completely different beast, which is quite capable of causing just as much havoc (if not more). You&#8217;re just switching partner greed with staff\manager greed. If we are going to pretend like public auditors (again, my background is auditing, sorry to the advisory and tax professionals) are actually serving the public rather than their own wallets, then there needs to be (shudder) more regulations on them. Things have gone too far, as you illustrated in your article. Take out the problems from the top down. Empower the staff with regards to compensation and you&#8217;ll have a GM on your hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Eagle Haven Golf Course</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eagle Haven Golf Course</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found your blog via Google while searching for eagle haven golf course, thank you for posting Music For Chameleons - A Visitor&#8217;s View of The Firms!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your blog via Google while searching for eagle haven golf course, thank you for posting Music For Chameleons &#8211; A Visitor&#8217;s View of The Firms!</p>
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		<title>By: A Non E Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Non E Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the point on partners impacting others in different offices - just look at Andersen......

I also agree with TTs points being another with over a decade in a big four....most of them are sad but true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the point on partners impacting others in different offices &#8211; just look at Andersen&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I also agree with TTs points being another with over a decade in a big four&#8230;.most of them are sad but true.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Tenacious, I too have been around the Big 8/6/5/4 for a while, and joined as an experienced hire.  I&#039;ve been in 3 of &#039;them&#039;, and was a partner in 2.  I&#039;ve read, and reread, T&#039;s posting several times, and always arrive at the same conclusion - he has hit the nail squarely on the head when it comes to life in the current Big 4, as we know it.  I can&#039;t/won&#039;t comment on the collective bargaining proposal, but on his other points, he is dead-on.  The partnership model is broken - in fact, I don&#039;t see how a partnership model can function in today&#039;s economic realities unless it&#039;s much smaller in size, and is comprised of partners who truly know and trust one another, vice the massive structures and sizes of today&#039;s Big 4.  The goal of today&#039;s Big 4 partnerships is, quite simply, to increase partner earnings (total cash compensation, unit values, revenue per partner, etc) and preserve the future of the parternship so partner pension, profit sharing, and other funds upon which retired and retiring partners depend will remain intact (and funded).  Everything else - employees, clients, and (and I hate to say this) integrity - is secondary.  T is also correct with the mystery that surrounds the partner nomination, candidacy, and admission process -- looks, conformity, ability to fit in, and not rocking the boat (too much) all count (but you won&#039;t see that in any published evaluation criteria).  His point about &quot;series of interlocking partnerships&quot; is also spot-on.  Any talk of &#039;one firm&#039; might be great for branding, but once the money starts to flow it&#039;s a behaviour-changing experience to see which business unit/separate partnership claims victory (and in the case of a cross-functional sale, how revenue is divided among partners).  That, in turn, causes unnecessary competition between business units (within the same partnership), drives staffing/recruiting, and ultimately affects client service.  (I believe Arthur Andersen was perhaps the closest to having a &#039;one firm&#039; approach, in practice - but certainly that&#039;s history now, and has been since 2002).  Finally, there is no doubt that the designation of some Big 4 firms as a great place to start a career is well deserved.  These truly are high-performance and demanding environments that can be a great launching pad for bright, aggressive young staff, recruited from this and other nations&#039; top universities. Whether or not they are a good place to stay in a career - or even end a career - is another story altogether.  Hats off to T for telling it like it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Tenacious, I too have been around the Big 8/6/5/4 for a while, and joined as an experienced hire.  I&#8217;ve been in 3 of &#8216;them&#8217;, and was a partner in 2.  I&#8217;ve read, and reread, T&#8217;s posting several times, and always arrive at the same conclusion &#8211; he has hit the nail squarely on the head when it comes to life in the current Big 4, as we know it.  I can&#8217;t/won&#8217;t comment on the collective bargaining proposal, but on his other points, he is dead-on.  The partnership model is broken &#8211; in fact, I don&#8217;t see how a partnership model can function in today&#8217;s economic realities unless it&#8217;s much smaller in size, and is comprised of partners who truly know and trust one another, vice the massive structures and sizes of today&#8217;s Big 4.  The goal of today&#8217;s Big 4 partnerships is, quite simply, to increase partner earnings (total cash compensation, unit values, revenue per partner, etc) and preserve the future of the parternship so partner pension, profit sharing, and other funds upon which retired and retiring partners depend will remain intact (and funded).  Everything else &#8211; employees, clients, and (and I hate to say this) integrity &#8211; is secondary.  T is also correct with the mystery that surrounds the partner nomination, candidacy, and admission process &#8212; looks, conformity, ability to fit in, and not rocking the boat (too much) all count (but you won&#8217;t see that in any published evaluation criteria).  His point about &#8220;series of interlocking partnerships&#8221; is also spot-on.  Any talk of &#8216;one firm&#8217; might be great for branding, but once the money starts to flow it&#8217;s a behaviour-changing experience to see which business unit/separate partnership claims victory (and in the case of a cross-functional sale, how revenue is divided among partners).  That, in turn, causes unnecessary competition between business units (within the same partnership), drives staffing/recruiting, and ultimately affects client service.  (I believe Arthur Andersen was perhaps the closest to having a &#8216;one firm&#8217; approach, in practice &#8211; but certainly that&#8217;s history now, and has been since 2002).  Finally, there is no doubt that the designation of some Big 4 firms as a great place to start a career is well deserved.  These truly are high-performance and demanding environments that can be a great launching pad for bright, aggressive young staff, recruited from this and other nations&#8217; top universities. Whether or not they are a good place to stay in a career &#8211; or even end a career &#8211; is another story altogether.  Hats off to T for telling it like it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon @ Friday 12/12 12:22 PM --&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;how does one start the collective bargaining process?&quot;  That&#039;s an excellent question and one to which I don&#039;t have the answer, having never participated in a union movement before.  I&#039;m sure that there IS a process, I just know don&#039;t what it would be.  I&#039;m also not a labor attorney but what I think I know is that once a workforce files the appropriate paperwork, then there are certain Federal laws that kick in to protect invidual workers from any reprisals the firm might undertake.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It seems logical that one would contact one of the existing unions and discuss representation.  I&#039;m sure that they understand the process and can knowledgeably discuss pros and cons.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Finally, despite certain aspersions cast my way, I&#039;m not especially pro union.  But I am pro collective bargaining to offset the power that the partnership has over the individual employee.  The partnership&#039;s power comes from a lack of transparency, implied threats (&quot;rock the boat over your compensationa and you&#039;ll never make partner&quot;), a guild requirement to put into two (or whatever amount) years as an apprentice before being allowed to practice, and an oligopoly position in the market to reduce market pressures.  I&#039;m carefully NOT alleging anti-trust activities (e.g., collusion between firms regarding setting compensation levels) because I have no evidence such activities are taking place.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also to Anonymous of 12/10 @ 12:08 PM -- very nice post.  I&#039;m glad my post could spark such an insightful reply.  Students entering the Big Accounting profession would do well to read your post to properly set expectations.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Regards!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Tenacious T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon @ Friday 12/12 12:22 PM &#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;how does one start the collective bargaining process?&#8221;  That&#8217;s an excellent question and one to which I don&#8217;t have the answer, having never participated in a union movement before.  I&#8217;m sure that there IS a process, I just know don&#8217;t what it would be.  I&#8217;m also not a labor attorney but what I think I know is that once a workforce files the appropriate paperwork, then there are certain Federal laws that kick in to protect invidual workers from any reprisals the firm might undertake.</p>
<p>It seems logical that one would contact one of the existing unions and discuss representation.  I&#8217;m sure that they understand the process and can knowledgeably discuss pros and cons.</p>
<p>Finally, despite certain aspersions cast my way, I&#8217;m not especially pro union.  But I am pro collective bargaining to offset the power that the partnership has over the individual employee.  The partnership&#8217;s power comes from a lack of transparency, implied threats (&#8220;rock the boat over your compensationa and you&#8217;ll never make partner&#8221;), a guild requirement to put into two (or whatever amount) years as an apprentice before being allowed to practice, and an oligopoly position in the market to reduce market pressures.  I&#8217;m carefully NOT alleging anti-trust activities (e.g., collusion between firms regarding setting compensation levels) because I have no evidence such activities are taking place.</p>
<p>Also to Anonymous of 12/10 @ 12:08 PM &#8212; very nice post.  I&#8217;m glad my post could spark such an insightful reply.  Students entering the Big Accounting profession would do well to read your post to properly set expectations.</p>
<p>Regards!</p>
<p>Tenacious T.</p>
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