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	<title>Comments on: PwC and Satyam &#8211; Another Fine Mess You&#8217;ve Gotten Yourself Into</title>
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		<title>By: re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Being Expedient: PwC Settles Satyam U.S. Class Action</title>
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		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Being Expedient: PwC Settles Satyam U.S. Class Action</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 12:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] PwC and Satyam &#8211; Another Fine Mess You&#8217;ve Gotten Yourself Into, January 26, 2009 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All Points Bulletin: Auditor Litigation Spans The Globe</title>
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		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All Points Bulletin: Auditor Litigation Spans The Globe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Just ask PwC about India. Or Japan. Or Russia. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Just ask PwC about India. Or Japan. Or Russia. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Satyam Settles; PwC Left In Lurch - Francine McKenna - Accounting Watchdog - Forbes</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/01/26/pwc-and-satyam-another-fine-mess-youve-gotten-yourself-into-2/comment-page-1/#comment-154093</link>
		<dc:creator>Satyam Settles; PwC Left In Lurch - Francine McKenna - Accounting Watchdog - Forbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 23:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Price Waterhouse India partners colluded with Satyam management to commit the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Price Waterhouse India partners colluded with Satyam management to commit the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Suspension of Disbelief in God vs. Professional Skepticism &#171; Irresistible (Dis)Grace</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/01/26/pwc-and-satyam-another-fine-mess-youve-gotten-yourself-into-2/comment-page-1/#comment-90174</link>
		<dc:creator>Suspension of Disbelief in God vs. Professional Skepticism &#171; Irresistible (Dis)Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But is this how everything in life works? Well, as I&#8217;ve studied accounting, there are a few things that have been drummed over and over. Suspension of disbelief isn&#8217;t one of them. Rather, professional skepticism is tremendous, and when auditors aren&#8217;t skeptical enough, bad things happen. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But is this how everything in life works? Well, as I&#8217;ve studied accounting, there are a few things that have been drummed over and over. Suspension of disbelief isn&#8217;t one of them. Rather, professional skepticism is tremendous, and when auditors aren&#8217;t skeptical enough, bad things happen. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; They Weren&#8217;t There: Auditors And The Financial Crisis</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/01/26/pwc-and-satyam-another-fine-mess-youve-gotten-yourself-into-2/comment-page-1/#comment-61325</link>
		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; They Weren&#8217;t There: Auditors And The Financial Crisis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the other &#8220;expectations gap&#8221; we face as journalists when trying to add an independent, objective, and inevitably critical voice [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the other &#8220;expectations gap&#8221; we face as journalists when trying to add an independent, objective, and inevitably critical voice [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Re: Moral Discipline, by Elder Christofferson &#171; Irresistible (Dis)Grace</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/01/26/pwc-and-satyam-another-fine-mess-youve-gotten-yourself-into-2/comment-page-1/#comment-33662</link>
		<dc:creator>Re: Moral Discipline, by Elder Christofferson &#171; Irresistible (Dis)Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But hold on! Let&#8217;s remember something about history. Auditors didn&#8217;t even always test for internal controls&#8230;and until the big scandals, they didn&#8217;t even believe they had a responsibility to actively detect for fraud. Sometimes, the auditors still don&#8217;t. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But hold on! Let&#8217;s remember something about history. Auditors didn&#8217;t even always test for internal controls&#8230;and until the big scandals, they didn&#8217;t even believe they had a responsibility to actively detect for fraud. Sometimes, the auditors still don&#8217;t. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Regulation Topic: How not to get sued &#124; Accounting Elf</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/01/26/pwc-and-satyam-another-fine-mess-youve-gotten-yourself-into-2/comment-page-1/#comment-27936</link>
		<dc:creator>Regulation Topic: How not to get sued &#124; Accounting Elf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interesting reading to relate Regulation studying to the real world is this article on Re: The Auditors that addresses a case faced by PWC and the auditor&#8217;s responsibility to find fraud under the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] interesting reading to relate Regulation studying to the real world is this article on Re: The Auditors that addresses a case faced by PWC and the auditor&#8217;s responsibility to find fraud under the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; McKenna Quoted In The Guardian</title>
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		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; McKenna Quoted In The Guardian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the link to my posts on PwC/Satyam, go here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the link to my posts on PwC/Satyam, go here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Plot Thickens - Price Waterhouse India Plausibly Culpable</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/01/26/pwc-and-satyam-another-fine-mess-youve-gotten-yourself-into-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3889</link>
		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Plot Thickens - Price Waterhouse India Plausibly Culpable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But the two at different points of time did not make any change in their audit plans.&#8221;   Earlier reports had PricewaterhouseCoopers International Chairman Sam Di Piazza spending much time in India as well [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dr PL Joshi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr PL Joshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a simple question. 
 As per  ICAI&#039;s regualtions, foreign audit firms like E&amp;Y, PWC , KPMG, and D &amp; T are not allowed to practice auditing work in India .i.e. none of them can
be appointed as a statutory auditors of a company by shareholders in their annual general meeting.   In order to act as a statutory auditor, such firms should 
be registered with ICAI and none of them are registered with the ICAI.  These firms are just affiliates in India  and conduct consultancy services. They perform
audit  work on behalf of local audit firms who have licenses from ICAI.  This  means that  these foregin firms outsource their auditing services. It also means that the foreign audit firms do not  have  power in India  to  attest  the financial statements. 

If the above is the case,  what  are the legal liabiliies of  PWC  in case of Satyam&#039;s frauds?  What action the government or ICAI can take against such firms 
who do not have  the attestion power for financial statements.? The foreign audit firms recruit  Indian CAs who are  the registered members with  ICAI. If any of its member has conducted audit for  Satyam, then the  action may be taken against the  CA s who are  the members of ICAI. It  means  that the punishment may be only to suspend their license for a period of  5 years.  So in  Satyam case, the  legal onus  is with the individual  CAs who are the employees of  PWC India and  it will not be easy to take any legal action againt PWC, if upon investigation it is found that auditors have shown professional negligence while conducting the  audit or were a part of the fraud.  In such a case PWC will lose its reputation and I am afraid that this case  will affect its global operations. 

Any one can clarify the above  position for the benefits of several readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a simple question.<br />
 As per  ICAI&#8217;s regualtions, foreign audit firms like E&amp;Y, PWC , KPMG, and D &amp; T are not allowed to practice auditing work in India .i.e. none of them can<br />
be appointed as a statutory auditors of a company by shareholders in their annual general meeting.   In order to act as a statutory auditor, such firms should<br />
be registered with ICAI and none of them are registered with the ICAI.  These firms are just affiliates in India  and conduct consultancy services. They perform<br />
audit  work on behalf of local audit firms who have licenses from ICAI.  This  means that  these foregin firms outsource their auditing services. It also means that the foreign audit firms do not  have  power in India  to  attest  the financial statements. </p>
<p>If the above is the case,  what  are the legal liabiliies of  PWC  in case of Satyam&#8217;s frauds?  What action the government or ICAI can take against such firms<br />
who do not have  the attestion power for financial statements.? The foreign audit firms recruit  Indian CAs who are  the registered members with  ICAI. If any of its member has conducted audit for  Satyam, then the  action may be taken against the  CA s who are  the members of ICAI. It  means  that the punishment may be only to suspend their license for a period of  5 years.  So in  Satyam case, the  legal onus  is with the individual  CAs who are the employees of  PWC India and  it will not be easy to take any legal action againt PWC, if upon investigation it is found that auditors have shown professional negligence while conducting the  audit or were a part of the fraud.  In such a case PWC will lose its reputation and I am afraid that this case  will affect its global operations. </p>
<p>Any one can clarify the above  position for the benefits of several readers.</p>
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