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		<title>By: jesse dziedzic</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/02/24/if-the-president-does-it-its-not-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-156189</link>
		<dc:creator>jesse dziedzic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a really fun read...</description>
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		<title>By: re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dreaming Of India: PwC and Satyam</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/02/24/if-the-president-does-it-its-not-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-9028</link>
		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dreaming Of India: PwC and Satyam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Perhaps they got the idea from the President of the AICPA. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chloe</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/02/24/if-the-president-does-it-its-not-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-5962</link>
		<dc:creator>Chloe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Can we common Poeple do about the Bailout? Nothing.. we just have to wait and see if the company comes up and develops new cars and prototypes to please the americal consumer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Can we common Poeple do about the Bailout? Nothing.. we just have to wait and see if the company comes up and develops new cars and prototypes to please the americal consumer</p>
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		<title>By: You Have the Power &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Best of February 24th - March 3rd « Bloginization</title>
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		<dc:creator>You Have the Power &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Best of February 24th - March 3rd « Bloginization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: You Have the Power &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Best of February 24th - March 3rd « Bloginization</title>
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		<dc:creator>You Have the Power &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Best of February 24th - March 3rd « Bloginization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: You Have the Power &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Work +Life Fit, Inc.</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/02/24/if-the-president-does-it-its-not-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-2195</link>
		<dc:creator>You Have the Power &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Work +Life Fit, Inc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Former Big 87654 Accountant</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/02/24/if-the-president-does-it-its-not-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-2177</link>
		<dc:creator>Former Big 87654 Accountant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Francine,

You  may be starting a movement, and from what I read from you, you would qualify as well versed &quot;spokesman&quot; of any such movement.

But what is so documented and detailed about her letter.  From what I see it is a rigurgitation of alleged failures of accounting firms to properly audit an entity that subsequently went bankrupt.  If we remember what we all learned in auditing 101, it is not the duty of an accounting firm to detect fraud or other defalcations should they exist and alludes to that in the auditors opinion.  

So to me, the educational focus of a CPA advocacy group such as an AICPA is to better educate the public on what the role of an auditor is.

Nine out of every ten people on the street believe the prime role of an auditor is to detect fraud.  That&#039;s why when these case go to court, the plaintiffs generally end up winning an out of court settlement because the costs of litigation outweigh the possible damages and bad press the Big 4 firm (generally) would end up owing in the first place.  They don&#039;t win cases on their merit. That&#039;s not to say that auditors don&#039;t make tortious mistakes, they do, just not to the extent that the public perceives.

Thanks for listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francine,</p>
<p>You  may be starting a movement, and from what I read from you, you would qualify as well versed &#8220;spokesman&#8221; of any such movement.</p>
<p>But what is so documented and detailed about her letter.  From what I see it is a rigurgitation of alleged failures of accounting firms to properly audit an entity that subsequently went bankrupt.  If we remember what we all learned in auditing 101, it is not the duty of an accounting firm to detect fraud or other defalcations should they exist and alludes to that in the auditors opinion.  </p>
<p>So to me, the educational focus of a CPA advocacy group such as an AICPA is to better educate the public on what the role of an auditor is.</p>
<p>Nine out of every ten people on the street believe the prime role of an auditor is to detect fraud.  That&#8217;s why when these case go to court, the plaintiffs generally end up winning an out of court settlement because the costs of litigation outweigh the possible damages and bad press the Big 4 firm (generally) would end up owing in the first place.  They don&#8217;t win cases on their merit. That&#8217;s not to say that auditors don&#8217;t make tortious mistakes, they do, just not to the extent that the public perceives.</p>
<p>Thanks for listening.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Rezko</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/02/24/if-the-president-does-it-its-not-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-2166</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Rezko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CCollege - The message is that the spokesperson for the AICPA is full of baloney. As noted above, the AICPA is a &quot;self-regulating&quot; body. So while the PCAOB and SEC are external regulators, I would say that AICPA still plays an important role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCollege &#8211; The message is that the spokesperson for the AICPA is full of baloney. As noted above, the AICPA is a &#8220;self-regulating&#8221; body. So while the PCAOB and SEC are external regulators, I would say that AICPA still plays an important role.</p>
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		<title>By: Chicago Accountant</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/02/24/if-the-president-does-it-its-not-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-2164</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicago Accountant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AICPA has always been for self-regulation.  It&#039;s not just an advocacy group.

I want to reiterate my disdain for nationalizing public accounting.  Much to the dismay of socialists, government is not the answer to every problem.  For every audit failure, I can show you ten failures in government.  We can start with the response to Hurricane Katrina, the botched NSA surveillance that let 9/11 hijackers into the US, and the regulatory missteps that sparked the current credit crisis.  

This is frankly a bunch of hackery.  Suddenly the Madoff and Stanford mess is a reason to nationalize major accounting firms.  Let&#039;s not forget that these shops were audited by tiny no-name operations.  One of the firms wasn&#039;t even registered with the AICPA!  If you ask me if I feel sorry for people who invested there, the answer is yes to a degree.  However, these people are partly to blame.  They were blinded by their own greed and had their own missteps.  The warning signs were apparent.  

Suddenly too, we want to blame the accountants of the failed banks and investment firms.  Sadly, they weren&#039;t smarter than the money managers they were auditing.  They didn&#039;t raise the red flags.  They didn&#039;t question the application of SFAS 157 in a hyperactive market.  Then, when the market began to slip and valuations turned, they again didn&#039;t question the application of SFAS 157.  Yes, let the accountants be damned by the investors and the money managers and the bankers.  It&#039;s easy to blame the auditor, it&#039;s hard to blame yourself.

Jane can take her indignation someplace else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AICPA has always been for self-regulation.  It&#8217;s not just an advocacy group.</p>
<p>I want to reiterate my disdain for nationalizing public accounting.  Much to the dismay of socialists, government is not the answer to every problem.  For every audit failure, I can show you ten failures in government.  We can start with the response to Hurricane Katrina, the botched NSA surveillance that let 9/11 hijackers into the US, and the regulatory missteps that sparked the current credit crisis.  </p>
<p>This is frankly a bunch of hackery.  Suddenly the Madoff and Stanford mess is a reason to nationalize major accounting firms.  Let&#8217;s not forget that these shops were audited by tiny no-name operations.  One of the firms wasn&#8217;t even registered with the AICPA!  If you ask me if I feel sorry for people who invested there, the answer is yes to a degree.  However, these people are partly to blame.  They were blinded by their own greed and had their own missteps.  The warning signs were apparent.  </p>
<p>Suddenly too, we want to blame the accountants of the failed banks and investment firms.  Sadly, they weren&#8217;t smarter than the money managers they were auditing.  They didn&#8217;t raise the red flags.  They didn&#8217;t question the application of SFAS 157 in a hyperactive market.  Then, when the market began to slip and valuations turned, they again didn&#8217;t question the application of SFAS 157.  Yes, let the accountants be damned by the investors and the money managers and the bankers.  It&#8217;s easy to blame the auditor, it&#8217;s hard to blame yourself.</p>
<p>Jane can take her indignation someplace else.</p>
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		<title>By: Oversight for the Better</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/02/24/if-the-president-does-it-its-not-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-2162</link>
		<dc:creator>Oversight for the Better</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not the first time Barry Melancon &#039;s behavior has been questionable.   Back when the AICPA&#039;s business project, CPA2Biz, was proposed, Melancon was marketing it to the Board and membership while holding an interest in it.  It took a couple of professors publishing a paper about it to get him to quickly divest.

Thank you Independent Accountant for telling me about CPA&#039;s for reform!  I&#039;ve been looking for something like this and have even asked Francine, but this is the first I have heard.  Could you provide a link and more info about it?

Good point C College.  I agree the AICPA is not an oversight organization.  However, advocacy should include not abetting the failure of the profession which is essentially going on now.  I wrote the AICPA suggesting that the organization establish a forum for members to discuss and make proposals for the furture path of the profession.  I got a very positive letter back, but have seen nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not the first time Barry Melancon &#8217;s behavior has been questionable.   Back when the AICPA&#8217;s business project, CPA2Biz, was proposed, Melancon was marketing it to the Board and membership while holding an interest in it.  It took a couple of professors publishing a paper about it to get him to quickly divest.</p>
<p>Thank you Independent Accountant for telling me about CPA&#8217;s for reform!  I&#8217;ve been looking for something like this and have even asked Francine, but this is the first I have heard.  Could you provide a link and more info about it?</p>
<p>Good point C College.  I agree the AICPA is not an oversight organization.  However, advocacy should include not abetting the failure of the profession which is essentially going on now.  I wrote the AICPA suggesting that the organization establish a forum for members to discuss and make proposals for the furture path of the profession.  I got a very positive letter back, but have seen nothing else.</p>
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