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		<title>By: re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; PwC &#8220;Restructures&#8221; Indian Consulting Business: Will It Be Enough To Preserve US and UK Interests?</title>
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		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; PwC &#8220;Restructures&#8221; Indian Consulting Business: Will It Be Enough To Preserve US and UK Interests?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] if they can reel in PwC US (and maybe sue in the UK against PwC UK) by proving fraud. I outlined a hypothetical last year. US and Indian regulators and investigators are focusing on the wrong thing when [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] if they can reel in PwC US (and maybe sue in the UK against PwC UK) by proving fraud. I outlined a hypothetical last year. US and Indian regulators and investigators are focusing on the wrong thing when [...]</p>
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		<title>By: re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; For The Auditors Nothing&#8217;s Over Until It&#8217;s Over: Or Is It?</title>
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		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; For The Auditors Nothing&#8217;s Over Until It&#8217;s Over: Or Is It?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Satyam saga is far from over.  The PCAOB recently sanctioned two fairly low-level PW India staff. (They are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Satyam saga is far from over.  The PCAOB recently sanctioned two fairly low-level PW India staff. (They are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Francine McKenna: Defending Koss And Their Auditors: Just Loopy Distorted Feedback &#124; Blog SDN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francine McKenna: Defending Koss And Their Auditors: Just Loopy Distorted Feedback &#124; Blog SDN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] want you to shed crocodile tears or pity poor PwC for their long-term, close relationship with another blockbuster Indian fraudster. Nor should you pat them on the back for not being the auditor now. PwC never really left Koss after [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] want you to shed crocodile tears or pity poor PwC for their long-term, close relationship with another blockbuster Indian fraudster. Nor should you pat them on the back for not being the auditor now. PwC never really left Koss after [...]</p>
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		<title>By: re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Roopen Roy, Deloitte India, On Audit Firm Mergers</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/07/24/pwc-and-satyam-its-bigger-than-a-blown-audit-mira-el-dedazo/comment-page-1/#comment-82584</link>
		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Roopen Roy, Deloitte India, On Audit Firm Mergers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] organizational changes perceived to have been dictated by PwC International and US leadership have not gone smoothly at Price Waterhouse India, and even more executives have left, in particular [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] organizational changes perceived to have been dictated by PwC International and US leadership have not gone smoothly at Price Waterhouse India, and even more executives have left, in particular [...]</p>
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		<title>By: re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Defending Koss And Their Auditors: Just Loopy Distorted Feedback</title>
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		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Defending Koss And Their Auditors: Just Loopy Distorted Feedback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 03:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] want you to shed crocodile tears or pity poor PwC for their long-term, close relationship with another blockbuster Indian fraudster. Nor should you pat them on the back for not being the auditor now. PwC never really left Koss after [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] want you to shed crocodile tears or pity poor PwC for their long-term, close relationship with another blockbuster Indian fraudster. Nor should you pat them on the back for not being the auditor now. PwC never really left Koss after [...]</p>
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		<title>By: re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Zombies Among Us: The Mainstream Media and Financial Journalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Zombies Among Us: The Mainstream Media and Financial Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Wall Street Journal more than once (some journalists by name), Crain&#8217;s Chicago Business, Bloomberg, The Chicago Tribune, even my beloved Financial Times. In some cases proxies did it for me, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Wall Street Journal more than once (some journalists by name), Crain&#8217;s Chicago Business, Bloomberg, The Chicago Tribune, even my beloved Financial Times. In some cases proxies did it for me, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sean in dc</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean in dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha I am not sure the &quot;we aren&#039;t smart enough&quot; defense is going to work but I would LOVE to hear it from PwC leadership. From what I have seen from PwC they&#039;re more than capable of pulling this kind of fraud off. One would hope their ethics refrained them and this is just a big coincidence. I fear for the worst however. I do think that this article lacks a smoking gun but that is for an investigative reported and a prosecutor to obtain. Great work on the article though FM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha I am not sure the &#8220;we aren&#8217;t smart enough&#8221; defense is going to work but I would LOVE to hear it from PwC leadership. From what I have seen from PwC they&#8217;re more than capable of pulling this kind of fraud off. One would hope their ethics refrained them and this is just a big coincidence. I fear for the worst however. I do think that this article lacks a smoking gun but that is for an investigative reported and a prosecutor to obtain. Great work on the article though FM</p>
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		<title>By: fm</title>
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		<dc:creator>fm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A reader just reminded me about Gene Donnelly&#039;s role in India: &quot;Gene was in-charge of India from 2005 to 2008  on behalf of Sam DiPiazza himself. He was the last word in India. He played havoc with the previous PwC leadership, foisted his henchman Deepak Kapoor as the interim Senior Partner but Kapoor lost in the election to Ramesh Rajan. Ramesh Rajan asked that Gene be taken off his Indian role in late 2008.  But during his tenure Gene played politics and many partners left in disgust... &quot;

I spoke to a senior partner at PwC last night and he said he didn&#039;t think the guys in the US were smart enough to pull off what I described.  Kind of a backhanded alibi.  However, what could have happened in India is clearly another kettle of dal.

Francine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reader just reminded me about Gene Donnelly&#8217;s role in India: &#8220;Gene was in-charge of India from 2005 to 2008  on behalf of Sam DiPiazza himself. He was the last word in India. He played havoc with the previous PwC leadership, foisted his henchman Deepak Kapoor as the interim Senior Partner but Kapoor lost in the election to Ramesh Rajan. Ramesh Rajan asked that Gene be taken off his Indian role in late 2008.  But during his tenure Gene played politics and many partners left in disgust&#8230; &#8221;</p>
<p>I spoke to a senior partner at PwC last night and he said he didn&#8217;t think the guys in the US were smart enough to pull off what I described.  Kind of a backhanded alibi.  However, what could have happened in India is clearly another kettle of dal.</p>
<p>Francine</p>
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		<title>By: fm</title>
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		<dc:creator>fm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anonymous Auditor

I believe that the portrayal of the relationship between PwC and Satyam during the Idearc project documented in the Gartner report was a accurate depiction of a strategic relationship that existed both to bypass the IBM non-compete agreement and to further the business interests of both Satyam and PwC.  PwC was Satyam&#039;s auditors. The analyst day was a high level briefing that I am assuming was authorized by the highest levels of PwC leadership. That tells me that they were aware of this business and working relationship and condoned it in spite of the independence violation. The actual working relationship between PwC and Satyam in this case and the fait accompli nature of Satyam getting the outsourcing contract after working alongside PwC at this client was confirmed to me by parties who were there. 

My opinion is that this was not an anomaly but a pattern of behavior by both PwC and Satyam and that it would not have occurred without financial incentives on both sides. Why do I believe that there are more examples?  Because sources told me there were.  I chose to find the likely fertile fields for this type of relationship between PwC and Satyam by reviewing publicly available information and allowing you, the reader, to come to your own conclusions.  Some may agree, some may not.  But deciding to look further into these connections and coming to the conclusion that such a scenario was possible, for me, was based on additional information from sources and my own personal experience.

I am proposing a hypothesis and asking you to evaluate it based on your own experience.  We may come to the same conclusion or we may not.  I am interested in your feedback either way.
Francine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anonymous Auditor</p>
<p>I believe that the portrayal of the relationship between PwC and Satyam during the Idearc project documented in the Gartner report was a accurate depiction of a strategic relationship that existed both to bypass the IBM non-compete agreement and to further the business interests of both Satyam and PwC.  PwC was Satyam&#8217;s auditors. The analyst day was a high level briefing that I am assuming was authorized by the highest levels of PwC leadership. That tells me that they were aware of this business and working relationship and condoned it in spite of the independence violation. The actual working relationship between PwC and Satyam in this case and the fait accompli nature of Satyam getting the outsourcing contract after working alongside PwC at this client was confirmed to me by parties who were there. </p>
<p>My opinion is that this was not an anomaly but a pattern of behavior by both PwC and Satyam and that it would not have occurred without financial incentives on both sides. Why do I believe that there are more examples?  Because sources told me there were.  I chose to find the likely fertile fields for this type of relationship between PwC and Satyam by reviewing publicly available information and allowing you, the reader, to come to your own conclusions.  Some may agree, some may not.  But deciding to look further into these connections and coming to the conclusion that such a scenario was possible, for me, was based on additional information from sources and my own personal experience.</p>
<p>I am proposing a hypothesis and asking you to evaluate it based on your own experience.  We may come to the same conclusion or we may not.  I am interested in your feedback either way.<br />
Francine</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Auditor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Auditor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FM,

Having lived and worked in the developing world for a number of years, I agree that it would not be too surprising to discover behavior in developing world practices that would not have been permitted in the US (note that I use &quot;US&quot; rather than &quot;developed world&quot; intentionally - I do not have the impression that the independence standards have been hammered into Europe or Asia as thoroughly as in the US).  In fact, I recall commenting to folks from the PCAOB at the time of its formation that there was a high risk of the next meltdown being in the developing world.

However, what would surprise me would be to find that the senior US leadership of a Big 4 firm was not only aware of that behavior but was encouraging it, which I believe is what you&#039;re suggesting.

Best,
AA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FM,</p>
<p>Having lived and worked in the developing world for a number of years, I agree that it would not be too surprising to discover behavior in developing world practices that would not have been permitted in the US (note that I use &#8220;US&#8221; rather than &#8220;developed world&#8221; intentionally &#8211; I do not have the impression that the independence standards have been hammered into Europe or Asia as thoroughly as in the US).  In fact, I recall commenting to folks from the PCAOB at the time of its formation that there was a high risk of the next meltdown being in the developing world.</p>
<p>However, what would surprise me would be to find that the senior US leadership of a Big 4 firm was not only aware of that behavior but was encouraging it, which I believe is what you&#8217;re suggesting.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
AA</p>
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