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	<title>Comments on: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road:  A College Student’s Assessment of Public Accounting Job Opportunities</title>
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		<title>By: Arpana Varshney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arpana Varshney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started out with B4 and moved to the Corporate side after about three years.  I have not regretted either of those decisions till date.  

I feel B4 experience is rewarding and provides a bird&#039;s eye view of different industries out there.  I was part of the Energy Sector team while at The Firm but I got to be a part of audit teams on various other sectors like mortgage, insurance, banking, governmental &amp; not for profit etc.  That experience helped me in deciding which sector I wanted to move on to once I decided to leave B4.  &quot;Big Four make accounting sexy&quot; is true.  Another truth is that sexiness stays with you even after you have made the move from B4 to the dark side.   

Agreed the hours are long and pay is lower than what corporate sector pays out in the beginning but the learning curve makes up for that pay lag.  I feel and I have been told that my analytical skills far exceed those of my peers - especially the peers who started out as Internal Auditors right out of college.  I attribute my &quot;thinking outside the box&quot; skills to my tenure at The Firm.  I will never trade my B4 experience for anything else in the professional world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started out with B4 and moved to the Corporate side after about three years.  I have not regretted either of those decisions till date.  </p>
<p>I feel B4 experience is rewarding and provides a bird&#8217;s eye view of different industries out there.  I was part of the Energy Sector team while at The Firm but I got to be a part of audit teams on various other sectors like mortgage, insurance, banking, governmental &amp; not for profit etc.  That experience helped me in deciding which sector I wanted to move on to once I decided to leave B4.  &#8220;Big Four make accounting sexy&#8221; is true.  Another truth is that sexiness stays with you even after you have made the move from B4 to the dark side.   </p>
<p>Agreed the hours are long and pay is lower than what corporate sector pays out in the beginning but the learning curve makes up for that pay lag.  I feel and I have been told that my analytical skills far exceed those of my peers &#8211; especially the peers who started out as Internal Auditors right out of college.  I attribute my &#8220;thinking outside the box&#8221; skills to my tenure at The Firm.  I will never trade my B4 experience for anything else in the professional world.</p>
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		<title>By: fxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>fxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 21:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I opted out too working for a big accounting firm (2 offers) because it came down to the grunt work I was most likely going to do.  I didn&#039;t want to spend two years going around the country counting inventory and filling in spreadsheets.  I decided to get my MBA in the evening and work days as an analyst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I opted out too working for a big accounting firm (2 offers) because it came down to the grunt work I was most likely going to do.  I didn&#8217;t want to spend two years going around the country counting inventory and filling in spreadsheets.  I decided to get my MBA in the evening and work days as an analyst.</p>
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		<title>By: Ex Deloitte and PwC Consulting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex Deloitte and PwC Consulting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked on a few recruitment &quot;events&quot; as I&#039;m sure most of the readers/contributors here have.

I often speculated to myself as to how it looked from the other side (given that I, as a &quot;lateral hire&quot;, had never gone through the process). 

Now I know what it looks like to the sort of candidate the firm(s) should have been trying to attract. Question is, did the process you were going through at the Big 4 firm reveal the qualities you display here? What do you think Jordan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked on a few recruitment &#8220;events&#8221; as I&#8217;m sure most of the readers/contributors here have.</p>
<p>I often speculated to myself as to how it looked from the other side (given that I, as a &#8220;lateral hire&#8221;, had never gone through the process). </p>
<p>Now I know what it looks like to the sort of candidate the firm(s) should have been trying to attract. Question is, did the process you were going through at the Big 4 firm reveal the qualities you display here? What do you think Jordan?</p>
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		<title>By: DMMayland</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMMayland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went through the EXACT same thing. Like to the T. Obviously, I agree 110%. Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went through the EXACT same thing. Like to the T. Obviously, I agree 110%. Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: JZA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JZA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another good reason to work for the Big 4 (my big reason) is the lack of drug test.  Almost makes the long hours worth it, just being able to toke at home and not worry about anything.  There&#039;s a lot of corporate stoogery that goes on that I don&#039;t agree with, but it&#039;s hard to argue with a company that lets me be myself.  At least for the 3 or so years I&#039;m planning to stay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good reason to work for the Big 4 (my big reason) is the lack of drug test.  Almost makes the long hours worth it, just being able to toke at home and not worry about anything.  There&#8217;s a lot of corporate stoogery that goes on that I don&#8217;t agree with, but it&#8217;s hard to argue with a company that lets me be myself.  At least for the 3 or so years I&#8217;m planning to stay.</p>
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		<title>By: AS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when I was recruiting (just for an internship though, not for full-time hire...also, not in MIS, but for tax), and I went through much of the same process (down to finding re: The Auditors and learning what professional skepticism really means)...I ultimately had a choice between a middle market firm and a Big 4 firm I both really liked, but I went with the Big 4 firm. The real issue was the question on prestige. I went in with little to no care about prestige. However, as the process went on, what I began to think more was, &quot;Hmm...what if I do want to look for different opportunities? What if I do want to look at a different city?&quot; (The mid market firm in question had a great presence within the one city, and did have other offices elsewhere, but the firm was more of a conglomeration of different regional firms. My feel for the one office represented my feel for one firm that just happened to be part of a larger amalgamation...)

I had originally been strongly against the idea, &quot;Go 2 years for the resume experience and leave&quot; (and still don&#039;t want to do that). But I feel like if I were going to do something like that (or something comparable), it would be easier to start with B4 experience and go elsewhere than start elsewhere and go B4. Even from all of the critical comments about the B4 from various accounting sites, I&#039;ve gotten a strong undertone that paying dues is valuable and recommended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when I was recruiting (just for an internship though, not for full-time hire&#8230;also, not in MIS, but for tax), and I went through much of the same process (down to finding re: The Auditors and learning what professional skepticism really means)&#8230;I ultimately had a choice between a middle market firm and a Big 4 firm I both really liked, but I went with the Big 4 firm. The real issue was the question on prestige. I went in with little to no care about prestige. However, as the process went on, what I began to think more was, &#8220;Hmm&#8230;what if I do want to look for different opportunities? What if I do want to look at a different city?&#8221; (The mid market firm in question had a great presence within the one city, and did have other offices elsewhere, but the firm was more of a conglomeration of different regional firms. My feel for the one office represented my feel for one firm that just happened to be part of a larger amalgamation&#8230;)</p>
<p>I had originally been strongly against the idea, &#8220;Go 2 years for the resume experience and leave&#8221; (and still don&#8217;t want to do that). But I feel like if I were going to do something like that (or something comparable), it would be easier to start with B4 experience and go elsewhere than start elsewhere and go B4. Even from all of the critical comments about the B4 from various accounting sites, I&#8217;ve gotten a strong undertone that paying dues is valuable and recommended.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Sakowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan Sakowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krupo- thanks for the kind words!  i don&#039;t actually know what being an IT consultant entails on a day-to-day basis, but I assume it&#039;s more reviewing reports, charts, diagrams, etc. than actually playing around with computers.  

Pete- I&#039;ve actually spent a lot of time on Glassdoor, there&#039;s some really good stuff there and I too would recommend it as a resource.  Also, reading Ola Rynge&#039;s blog on a weekly basis has given me a new outlook on professional passion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krupo- thanks for the kind words!  i don&#8217;t actually know what being an IT consultant entails on a day-to-day basis, but I assume it&#8217;s more reviewing reports, charts, diagrams, etc. than actually playing around with computers.  </p>
<p>Pete- I&#8217;ve actually spent a lot of time on Glassdoor, there&#8217;s some really good stuff there and I too would recommend it as a resource.  Also, reading Ola Rynge&#8217;s blog on a weekly basis has given me a new outlook on professional passion!</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Kistler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Kistler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jordan,

It&#039;s awesome to hear you&#039;re examining your career motives this early in the game. I think it&#039;s easy (especially when we&#039;re young) to enter a career path that society assumes we should take, because the only person who can do soul searching is ourselves, and we often don&#039;t know better because we aren&#039;t taught to. Like you said, there is definitely a herd mentality, especially with little job security today.

P.S. I often point job applicants to Glassdoor, which is a great resource to read reviews of companies from real employees who work there (http://www.glassdoor.com/index.htm). 

- Pete Kistler
CEO, Brand-Yourself.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jordan,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s awesome to hear you&#8217;re examining your career motives this early in the game. I think it&#8217;s easy (especially when we&#8217;re young) to enter a career path that society assumes we should take, because the only person who can do soul searching is ourselves, and we often don&#8217;t know better because we aren&#8217;t taught to. Like you said, there is definitely a herd mentality, especially with little job security today.</p>
<p>P.S. I often point job applicants to Glassdoor, which is a great resource to read reviews of companies from real employees who work there (<a href="http://www.glassdoor.com/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.glassdoor.com/index.htm</a>). </p>
<p>- Pete Kistler<br />
CEO, Brand-Yourself.com</p>
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		<title>By: Krupo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krupo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you were to work as an IT consultant, and you were to find yourself with &quot;endless stacks of paper&quot;, then someone&#039;s Doing it Wrong. ;)

Having nitpicked that, good luck with your new gig!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you were to work as an IT consultant, and you were to find yourself with &#8220;endless stacks of paper&#8221;, then someone&#8217;s Doing it Wrong. <img src='http://retheauditors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Having nitpicked that, good luck with your new gig!</p>
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