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		<title>Comment on Who Is The PwC Partner Responsible For MF Global? Someone With A Lot of Baggage by Francine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@FlyCat

When there&#039;s a failure the audit firm and the lead partner are often sued.  Lately, it seems, the audit firm may be sued but the partner responsible is not named in the suit.  The only time the public sees the name of the partner for a failed company or an audit failure is in a lawsuit or an action by the SEC or PCAOB against the person. Duncan ended up in civil and criminal litigation so there was no question we would know.  PwC has not yet been named in all MF Global suits and the partner has not been named in any of the ones PwC is already a defendant in. Therefore, open secret.

Many critics of audit partner name transparency (has nothing to do with signing or not signing the audit report) say if you want to know the partner name go to the annual meeting.  That doesn&#039;t help the potential or former investor and that doesn&#039;t help the public as a whole.  No one can track the career history of active audit partners and the ones who end up in industry or the government, including their disciplinary or litigation history, by trying to figure out one by one only the current lead partner of public companies.  I believe there should be a registry of all key partners on each public client and that their disciplinary and litigation history should also be included as well as education and all licensing credentials.  This would include lead, concurring, tax, advisory, specialty and any business unit leads like McGowan was for broker-dealers. We should be able to look up a name and see their who history.  You should be able to look up a pubic company and see all the partners form the firm that have been involved so you can track rotation history and fees relationships especially  for tax and other consulting.

We should be abel to see if partners who escaped or were dropped from being named individually in failures  - because the partner and the audit firm cooperated with plaintiffs or regulators to make a stronger case against executives or board members  - have nine lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FlyCat</p>
<p>When there&#8217;s a failure the audit firm and the lead partner are often sued.  Lately, it seems, the audit firm may be sued but the partner responsible is not named in the suit.  The only time the public sees the name of the partner for a failed company or an audit failure is in a lawsuit or an action by the SEC or PCAOB against the person. Duncan ended up in civil and criminal litigation so there was no question we would know.  PwC has not yet been named in all MF Global suits and the partner has not been named in any of the ones PwC is already a defendant in. Therefore, open secret.</p>
<p>Many critics of audit partner name transparency (has nothing to do with signing or not signing the audit report) say if you want to know the partner name go to the annual meeting.  That doesn&#8217;t help the potential or former investor and that doesn&#8217;t help the public as a whole.  No one can track the career history of active audit partners and the ones who end up in industry or the government, including their disciplinary or litigation history, by trying to figure out one by one only the current lead partner of public companies.  I believe there should be a registry of all key partners on each public client and that their disciplinary and litigation history should also be included as well as education and all licensing credentials.  This would include lead, concurring, tax, advisory, specialty and any business unit leads like McGowan was for broker-dealers. We should be able to look up a name and see their who history.  You should be able to look up a pubic company and see all the partners form the firm that have been involved so you can track rotation history and fees relationships especially  for tax and other consulting.</p>
<p>We should be abel to see if partners who escaped or were dropped from being named individually in failures  &#8211; because the partner and the audit firm cooperated with plaintiffs or regulators to make a stronger case against executives or board members  &#8211; have nine lives.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who Is The PwC Partner Responsible For MF Global? Someone With A Lot of Baggage by FlyCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>FlyCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they did name David Duncan in Enron.....so its not TOTALLY unheard of to name the partner. Would you name only the lead partner? The concurring review partner? The QA partner? Where is the line?

Honest questions. not trying to be obnoxious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they did name David Duncan in Enron&#8230;..so its not TOTALLY unheard of to name the partner. Would you name only the lead partner? The concurring review partner? The QA partner? Where is the line?</p>
<p>Honest questions. not trying to be obnoxious.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Bother Becoming A CPA? A Guest Post From Roger Philipp by Francine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anonymous

Thanks for that insight. :)  Smaller cities and smaller firms with industry niches value prior experience more than the Big Four who want to replicate the collegiate experience for new grads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anonymous</p>
<p>Thanks for that insight. <img src='http://retheauditors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Smaller cities and smaller firms with industry niches value prior experience more than the Big Four who want to replicate the collegiate experience for new grads.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Bother Becoming A CPA? A Guest Post From Roger Philipp by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have twelve years experience, five in public accounting. I have my CPA. I moved to San Diego and could not get hired in 3 years. (I am in my early 50&#039;s). I moved back to My smaller home town where I am in demand. For those of you struggling to find a job - try smaller towns as opposed to the big cities. There Re fewer jobs, but there is far less competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have twelve years experience, five in public accounting. I have my CPA. I moved to San Diego and could not get hired in 3 years. (I am in my early 50&#8217;s). I moved back to My smaller home town where I am in demand. For those of you struggling to find a job &#8211; try smaller towns as opposed to the big cities. There Re fewer jobs, but there is far less competition.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who Is The PwC Partner Responsible For MF Global? Someone With A Lot of Baggage by Francine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff, And if someone posted a story about me embezzling millions I would sue them because it is not true.  No one suing me or LinkedIn, as you can see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff, And if someone posted a story about me embezzling millions I would sue them because it is not true.  No one suing me or LinkedIn, as you can see.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who Is The PwC Partner Responsible For MF Global? Someone With A Lot of Baggage by Francine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have confirmation before publishing someone&#039;s background posted on a public site intended for that purpose like LinkedIn? LinkedIn is a reliable source for additional information about a professional&#039;s background.  That&#039;s why people put up a profile. I should get confirmation because the information is &quot;something like that&quot;, that is, surprising and embarrassing rather than flattering?  Maybe you forgot what it means for information to be newsworthy. LinkedIn references are not comparable to posting wild speculation about criminal activity from an anonymous source, as you allude.  As I mentioned in a previous comment at Forbes, all the big media does it and no one I&#039;ve asked asks the subject if the profile is authentic. You are responsible for your social media presence, especially on reputable sites that others use for commerce. If it was fake, LinkedIn and/or the subject should take it down, not edit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have confirmation before publishing someone&#8217;s background posted on a public site intended for that purpose like LinkedIn? LinkedIn is a reliable source for additional information about a professional&#8217;s background.  That&#8217;s why people put up a profile. I should get confirmation because the information is &#8220;something like that&#8221;, that is, surprising and embarrassing rather than flattering?  Maybe you forgot what it means for information to be newsworthy. LinkedIn references are not comparable to posting wild speculation about criminal activity from an anonymous source, as you allude.  As I mentioned in a previous comment at Forbes, all the big media does it and no one I&#8217;ve asked asks the subject if the profile is authentic. You are responsible for your social media presence, especially on reputable sites that others use for commerce. If it was fake, LinkedIn and/or the subject should take it down, not edit it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who Is The PwC Partner Responsible For MF Global? Someone With A Lot of Baggage by Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know. I think it is far more responsible, journalistically, to confirm before you publish. Imagine someone anonymously posted a story that Francine McKenna embezzled millions of dollars from her former employer, and then I linked to that story and expanded on it in length. No matter how much I &quot;caveatted&quot; the story, it&#039;d still have the words &quot;embezzle&quot; and &quot;Francine McKenna&quot; in it, side by side. The lack of a refutation is not a confirmation, and ethically you should have confirmation before publishing something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know. I think it is far more responsible, journalistically, to confirm before you publish. Imagine someone anonymously posted a story that Francine McKenna embezzled millions of dollars from her former employer, and then I linked to that story and expanded on it in length. No matter how much I &#8220;caveatted&#8221; the story, it&#8217;d still have the words &#8220;embezzle&#8221; and &#8220;Francine McKenna&#8221; in it, side by side. The lack of a refutation is not a confirmation, and ethically you should have confirmation before publishing something like that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who Is The PwC Partner Responsible For MF Global? Someone With A Lot of Baggage by Francine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff

Also, she was not the lead partner on some of the larger clients like Goldman Sachs but the partner on the broker-dealer audit.  ( I know who lead partners have been on other FS clients like GS and JPM and AIG, for example.) There is no rotation requirement there.  Partner rotation is only post Sarbanes, 2003 or so, and we&#039;ve seen with Skechers that partners are rolling off and rolling back on. They can also retain another partner role on the client other than lead indefinitely as long as its not concurring.  Auditing only the broker-dealer is not constrained under rotation. I don&#039;t find the Barings situation as odd as I do the use of the term partner throughout but that can possibly be written off as ego and lack of willingness/ernergy to document full career track. The first engagement is not labeled as partner role, DBL, but I can imagine she may have been promoted to partner while working at CCMC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff</p>
<p>Also, she was not the lead partner on some of the larger clients like Goldman Sachs but the partner on the broker-dealer audit.  ( I know who lead partners have been on other FS clients like GS and JPM and AIG, for example.) There is no rotation requirement there.  Partner rotation is only post Sarbanes, 2003 or so, and we&#8217;ve seen with Skechers that partners are rolling off and rolling back on. They can also retain another partner role on the client other than lead indefinitely as long as its not concurring.  Auditing only the broker-dealer is not constrained under rotation. I don&#8217;t find the Barings situation as odd as I do the use of the term partner throughout but that can possibly be written off as ego and lack of willingness/ernergy to document full career track. The first engagement is not labeled as partner role, DBL, but I can imagine she may have been promoted to partner while working at CCMC.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who Is The PwC Partner Responsible For MF Global? Someone With A Lot of Baggage by Francine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff

I agree with you it is terribly sloppy.  I have not yet bought into it completely as authentic for that reason, meaning it is her creation, but I am not sure the info is necessarily fake.  The point of the article is that very few people know the detailed dates and places of a Big Four partner&#039;s career. And if it was not hers, why wouldn&#039;t she and PwC have it deleted as a fake rather than edited? Why would a faker edit it?

It is a highly caveatted source.  And I have had no one in a week, including her and PwC,  refute her lead of MF Global and involvement in Madoff feeder funds (that would be pretty much impossible.) No one has refuted any other facts of the LinkedIn profile either. MF Global and the Madoff connection are, to me, the most important and are enough to raise questions. I posted the LinkedIn profile to see if I could get some corrections or changes or someone to admit or deny the facts.  There&#039;s a method...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff</p>
<p>I agree with you it is terribly sloppy.  I have not yet bought into it completely as authentic for that reason, meaning it is her creation, but I am not sure the info is necessarily fake.  The point of the article is that very few people know the detailed dates and places of a Big Four partner&#8217;s career. And if it was not hers, why wouldn&#8217;t she and PwC have it deleted as a fake rather than edited? Why would a faker edit it?</p>
<p>It is a highly caveatted source.  And I have had no one in a week, including her and PwC,  refute her lead of MF Global and involvement in Madoff feeder funds (that would be pretty much impossible.) No one has refuted any other facts of the LinkedIn profile either. MF Global and the Madoff connection are, to me, the most important and are enough to raise questions. I posted the LinkedIn profile to see if I could get some corrections or changes or someone to admit or deny the facts.  There&#8217;s a method&#8230;</p>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit surprised ( or maybe I shouldn&#039;t be?) that you bought into this being her real LinkedIn page. The multiple mis-spellings of Goldman Sachs, the variations of proper capitalization of PwC, the multiple entries, the apparent lack of partner rotation for public company clients, the inclusion of only one client name on which she wasn&#039;t a client, the listing of her as an &quot;audit ptr&quot; in 1980, the year she graduate college?  Listed as the partner on Barings after just 10 years at the firm?  All of these items individually scream &quot;fake&quot;; together they make the profile completely unreliable. Using it as a source, even with disclaimers, is terribly irresponsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit surprised ( or maybe I shouldn&#8217;t be?) that you bought into this being her real LinkedIn page. The multiple mis-spellings of Goldman Sachs, the variations of proper capitalization of PwC, the multiple entries, the apparent lack of partner rotation for public company clients, the inclusion of only one client name on which she wasn&#8217;t a client, the listing of her as an &#8220;audit ptr&#8221; in 1980, the year she graduate college?  Listed as the partner on Barings after just 10 years at the firm?  All of these items individually scream &#8220;fake&#8221;; together they make the profile completely unreliable. Using it as a source, even with disclaimers, is terribly irresponsible.</p>
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