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		<title>Comment on Journalism Leadership and the Peter Principle: A Guest Post From Eric Starkman by Edith Orenstein</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2010/03/12/journalism-leadership-and-the-peter-principle-a-guest-post-from-eric-starkman/comment-page-1/#comment-93294</link>
		<dc:creator>Edith Orenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FM, 

Tnank you for sharing this illuminating post from your guest contributor, Eric Starkman. It is of great interest generally, on the subject of journalism, and of great interest particularly, to all of us in the blogosphere, as we watch (and to varying degrees, participate in) the continued evolution of journalism, including &quot;citizen journalism,&quot; print and online journalism, blogging, tweeting, et al.

With respect to the field of auditing, specifically, similar to commenter #1 above, I can also see some interesting parallels between some of the things being said about journalism these days, and things being said about auditors. For example, substitute &quot;auditing&quot; for &quot;jouralism&quot; and &quot;auditors&quot; for &quot;journalists&quot; in the blurb below, excerpted from the website of the Committee of Concerned Journalists (CCJ) (specifically, the &quot;CCJ History&quot; page: http://www.concernedjournalists.org/about_ccj/history )  an organization I learned of in your guest post above. 

&quot;On a rainy Saturday in June 1997, twenty-five journalists gathered at the Harvard Faculty Club. Around the long table sat editors of several of the nation&#039;s top newspapers, as well as some of the most influential names in television and radio, several of the top journalism educators, and some of the country&#039;s most prominent authors. They were there because they thought something was seriously wrong with their profession. They barely recognized what they considered journalism in much of the work of their colleagues. Instead of serving a larger public interest, they feared, their profession was damaging it.The public, in turn, increasingly distrusted journalists, even hated them. And it would only get worse.&quot;

I think there have always been a range of views on the practical aspects of expecting auditors to fulfill a &#039;public interest&#039; vs. fulfill a professional duty in terms of the work they provide, how they are compensated, by whom they are compensated, etc. And these issues are now seeping into the journalism field as well, in terms of decisions on erecting pay-per-view type firewalls by news organizations ranging from the NYT and FT to independent or quasi-independent bloggers, and what the role of &#039;news organizations&#039; and &#039;journalists&#039; are. 

Thanks again for including this fascinating guest post in your blog, it is very interesting to read guest contributors among your always lively posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FM, </p>
<p>Tnank you for sharing this illuminating post from your guest contributor, Eric Starkman. It is of great interest generally, on the subject of journalism, and of great interest particularly, to all of us in the blogosphere, as we watch (and to varying degrees, participate in) the continued evolution of journalism, including &#8220;citizen journalism,&#8221; print and online journalism, blogging, tweeting, et al.</p>
<p>With respect to the field of auditing, specifically, similar to commenter #1 above, I can also see some interesting parallels between some of the things being said about journalism these days, and things being said about auditors. For example, substitute &#8220;auditing&#8221; for &#8220;jouralism&#8221; and &#8220;auditors&#8221; for &#8220;journalists&#8221; in the blurb below, excerpted from the website of the Committee of Concerned Journalists (CCJ) (specifically, the &#8220;CCJ History&#8221; page: <a href="http://www.concernedjournalists.org/about_ccj/history" rel="nofollow">http://www.concernedjournalists.org/about_ccj/history</a> )  an organization I learned of in your guest post above. </p>
<p>&#8220;On a rainy Saturday in June 1997, twenty-five journalists gathered at the Harvard Faculty Club. Around the long table sat editors of several of the nation&#8217;s top newspapers, as well as some of the most influential names in television and radio, several of the top journalism educators, and some of the country&#8217;s most prominent authors. They were there because they thought something was seriously wrong with their profession. They barely recognized what they considered journalism in much of the work of their colleagues. Instead of serving a larger public interest, they feared, their profession was damaging it.The public, in turn, increasingly distrusted journalists, even hated them. And it would only get worse.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think there have always been a range of views on the practical aspects of expecting auditors to fulfill a &#8216;public interest&#8217; vs. fulfill a professional duty in terms of the work they provide, how they are compensated, by whom they are compensated, etc. And these issues are now seeping into the journalism field as well, in terms of decisions on erecting pay-per-view type firewalls by news organizations ranging from the NYT and FT to independent or quasi-independent bloggers, and what the role of &#8216;news organizations&#8217; and &#8216;journalists&#8217; are. </p>
<p>Thanks again for including this fascinating guest post in your blog, it is very interesting to read guest contributors among your always lively posts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If You&#8217;re Counting On Congress, Well&#8230; by re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Will We Solve The Financial Crisis? The Answer Is Bigger Than You And I</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/01/07/if-youre-counting-on-congress-well-2/comment-page-1/#comment-93286</link>
		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Will We Solve The Financial Crisis? The Answer Is Bigger Than You And I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How will the current audit firms meet their responsibilities and obligations to the taxpayer when, in service to their partners desire to maintain partner profits in what they see as a downturn, they are cutting professionals from their ranks and reducing them to four-day work weeks? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] How will the current audit firms meet their responsibilities and obligations to the taxpayer when, in service to their partners desire to maintain partner profits in what they see as a downturn, they are cutting professionals from their ranks and reducing them to four-day work weeks? [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on PwC&#8217;s CYA re: Northern Rock by re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Will We Solve The Financial Crisis? The Answer Is Bigger Than You And I</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2008/08/05/pwcs-cya-re-northern-rock/comment-page-1/#comment-93285</link>
		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Will We Solve The Financial Crisis? The Answer Is Bigger Than You And I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be culpable and are under the pall of litigation as a result? In the UK, there are cases such as Northern Rock. Here in the United States, we have resisted calling the virtual takeovers, overgenerous subsidies [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be culpable and are under the pall of litigation as a result? In the UK, there are cases such as Northern Rock. Here in the United States, we have resisted calling the virtual takeovers, overgenerous subsidies [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Let&#8217;s Pull Out &#8211; PwC Leaves Yukos Emptyhanded by re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Will We Solve The Financial Crisis? The Answer Is Bigger Than You And I</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2007/06/29/lets-pull-out-pwc-leaves-yukos-emptyhanded/comment-page-1/#comment-93283</link>
		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Will We Solve The Financial Crisis? The Answer Is Bigger Than You And I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] above by PwC regarding Satyam. Wait! That&#8217;s what PwC said when they pulled their audits at Yukos. And that&#8217;s what EY is saying as it begins to distance itself from its prior audit opinions [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] above by PwC regarding Satyam. Wait! That&#8217;s what PwC said when they pulled their audits at Yukos. And that&#8217;s what EY is saying as it begins to distance itself from its prior audit opinions [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Price Waterhouse India&#8217;s Slumdog Millionaires &#8211; Cheating Pays by re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Will We Solve The Financial Crisis? The Answer Is Bigger Than You And I</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2009/01/13/price-waterhouse-indias-slumdog-millionaires-cheating-pays/comment-page-1/#comment-93282</link>
		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Will We Solve The Financial Crisis? The Answer Is Bigger Than You And I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Joanathan and I have exchanged emails and shared insights. I&#8217;m so glad he has listened to my whispering in his ear and wrote the article he had in him the whole time he was writing about individual cases. One of the problems I have had in getting attention to this issue is that there are so many other fish to fry &#8211; the companies themselves, the ratings agencies, individual executives. It seemed until recently that it was gloves off and the Big 4 was getting a pass.  Until Madoff and Satyam. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Joanathan and I have exchanged emails and shared insights. I&#8217;m so glad he has listened to my whispering in his ear and wrote the article he had in him the whole time he was writing about individual cases. One of the problems I have had in getting attention to this issue is that there are so many other fish to fry &#8211; the companies themselves, the ratings agencies, individual executives. It seemed until recently that it was gloves off and the Big 4 was getting a pass.  Until Madoff and Satyam. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Madoff, MLK, Buddha And Elusive Nature of Self-Interest by re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Will We Solve The Financial Crisis? The Answer Is Bigger Than You And I</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2008/12/24/madoff-mlk-buddha-and-elusive-nature-of-self-interest/comment-page-1/#comment-93281</link>
		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Will We Solve The Financial Crisis? The Answer Is Bigger Than You And I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It seemed until recently that it was gloves off and the Big 4 was getting a pass.  Until Madoff and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It seemed until recently that it was gloves off and the Big 4 was getting a pass.  Until Madoff and [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Approved! All Together Now &#8211; EY To Be One Firm (Except US, Of Course) by re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ernst &#38; Young Mucks Up Independence</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2008/06/03/approved-all-together-now-ey-to-be-one-firm-except-us-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-93275</link>
		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ernst &#38; Young Mucks Up Independence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] their ability to stay out of trouble, to take on the staff shed by other firms,  and for their bold moves on the business model front. But this is just not good, especially given their prior transgressions in the same area that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] their ability to stay out of trouble, to take on the staff shed by other firms,  and for their bold moves on the business model front. But this is just not good, especially given their prior transgressions in the same area that [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Friday Searches &#8211; Learning and Growing by re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ernst &#38; Young Mucks Up Independence</title>
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		<dc:creator>re: The Auditors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ernst &#38; Young Mucks Up Independence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] actually been rather impressed with EY lately, both for their ability to stay out of trouble, to take on the staff shed by other firms,  and for their bold moves on the business model front. But this is just not good, especially [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] actually been rather impressed with EY lately, both for their ability to stay out of trouble, to take on the staff shed by other firms,  and for their bold moves on the business model front. But this is just not good, especially [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Journalism Leadership and the Peter Principle: A Guest Post From Eric Starkman by Robert F. Kelley</title>
		<link>http://retheauditors.com/2010/03/12/journalism-leadership-and-the-peter-principle-a-guest-post-from-eric-starkman/comment-page-1/#comment-93173</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert F. Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 02:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Re: Recent guest commenting on the media...not to defend the media, however, his comments [below] would fit the auditing sector by changing several verbs. 

&quot;the myriad factors that continue to erode its once-vaunted credibility.   Chief among them is, of course, that the field is rife with unethical individuals who fabricate and plagiarize, a trend I wrote about last May.&quot;..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Re: Recent guest commenting on the media&#8230;not to defend the media, however, his comments [below] would fit the auditing sector by changing several verbs. </p>
<p>&#8220;the myriad factors that continue to erode its once-vaunted credibility.   Chief among them is, of course, that the field is rife with unethical individuals who fabricate and plagiarize, a trend I wrote about last May.&#8221;..</p>
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		<title>Comment on In Pari Delicto: Are Auditors Equally At Fault In The Big Fraud Cases? by Moko1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moko1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the whole LEH thing a fraud?  I don’t think so. To me, after reading the report, it is simply someone at LEH did something stupid. And E&amp;Y, on the other hand, pretended that they never seen it happening.

Here I what I read from an article &quot;What about Lehman&#039;s auditor, Ernst &amp; Young? In interviews with Valukas the firm essentially claims it did nothing wrong but that it only tacitly acquiesced in the Repo 105 accounting, agreeing with its theoretical construction but never evaluating or blessing actual transactions. Nor did Ernst &amp; Young ever audit a Repo 105 transaction or assess the impact of the volume of them on the balance sheet. &quot;


&quot;Agreeing with its theoretical construction but never evaluating or blessing actual transactions&quot; - that is the best answer E&amp;Y could come up with...

I am so sad I am in this industry...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the whole LEH thing a fraud?  I don’t think so. To me, after reading the report, it is simply someone at LEH did something stupid. And E&amp;Y, on the other hand, pretended that they never seen it happening.</p>
<p>Here I what I read from an article &#8220;What about Lehman&#8217;s auditor, Ernst &amp; Young? In interviews with Valukas the firm essentially claims it did nothing wrong but that it only tacitly acquiesced in the Repo 105 accounting, agreeing with its theoretical construction but never evaluating or blessing actual transactions. Nor did Ernst &amp; Young ever audit a Repo 105 transaction or assess the impact of the volume of them on the balance sheet. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Agreeing with its theoretical construction but never evaluating or blessing actual transactions&#8221; &#8211; that is the best answer E&amp;Y could come up with&#8230;</p>
<p>I am so sad I am in this industry&#8230;</p>
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